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I'm putting together a panel for vidukon on vid feedback.  I haven't sorted out what the panel will look like, and I know that at Vividcon there have been multiple panels related to feedback and beta processes.  If anyone knows of posts that have talked about what was covered in those panels, how the panelists structured it, etc, I'd love to see them!  Or if anyone put on or attended one of those panels and wants to tell me about it, that would also be awesome!  Also, general posts about feedback/beta processes would be super useful.

(I have looked at the Fanlore pages for VVCs past, and they include links to some people's post-con write-ups, which have been a helpful start for sure.)

Right now I definitely want to include some space to discuss whether/how we can constructively criticise vids for their content and not just their form, but I don't really see myself filling a full time slot with just that.  In addition to that, I was thinking some other things that might be good to do:

 - a group concrit or beta process as part of the panel (I'd ask for volunteers to submit a vid for this, or do one of my own). 

 - people share experiences with feedback/beta that was helpful and talk about why

 - people talk about how they approach being a beta or other ways of giving feedback

Any other ideas?  I'm in brainstorm mode so I'd love to hear anything that might be relevant.  Even thoughts on feedback, praise, and constructive criticism of things other than vids would be super cool.

on 14/4/14 07:56 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] chaila
Idk if this is along the lines of what you're thinking, but it might be interesting to discuss how people really give & get feedback now, how we think of each method, etc. Post vid release, feedback can be in some obvious ways: in person at a con, email, post replies or comments, recs. And sometimes this is what people think of as feedback. But now there's "feedback" (is it feedback? Is it the same?) in the form of Tumblr reblogs/likes and TAGS, tweets, links, YouTube views, comments and likes, AO3 hits/kudos. (and sometimes these things aren't even directed at the vidder, i.e. tumblr posts that embed a vid without the vidder's knowledge or without linking to the vidder's post). Some methods require more effort than others, might mean different things in the community or to an individual vidders, seem to have a different purpose (responding to content in depth vs a pat on the back vs sharing the vid with others) etc. I think about some of those methods really differently than other methods, and wonder if others do too? How much does feedback matter to us? How's the perspective different as a vidder and a viewer? How do we choose where & how to give feedback? Do we choose platforms based on the kind of feedback we want to encourage? (I do!) If we aren't thinking very much about how we're doing it, should we be?

Which probably all comes from a general concept of "feedback as fannish currency", for lack of a better way to say it? But I'm sure there are differing but interesting views on that idea. :)

Whoops I have a lot of feelings about feedback!

on 14/4/14 11:43 pm (UTC)
Posted by [personal profile] acridnym
The feedback & critique section of [ profile] permetaform's Big List of Vid Meta has some good stuff. Sadly half of the links are dead since it's a pretty old resource. But...half the links aren't, so there's that.

One possible thing to touch on would be feedback for the vidder's sake (betas, comments on the vidder's blog) versus feedback for the viewer's sake (VVC vidshow reviews, recs on one's own blog). What are the differences and where do they overlap?

I'm really curious as to what consensus is on giving feedback for older vids (and if it's a no-no, what's the cut-off time?) since the biggest reason I don't give feedback is I always find the vid too late.


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